verushka70

Is this MCU fandom, or comics fandom? Or both?

I can only attest to it happening in the MCU fandom (since I don't know about the comics side). My guess is that Chris Evans had a lot of chemistry with SebStan and Hailey Atwell in the first CA movie. There's also the fact that Steve and Bucky lived in a queer area before they went to war. (Here's my receipt). So, technically, there's a bit of a precedent to MCU fandom's notion of a queer CA. IJS.


(Also, in this context, what do you mean by pansexual mean? "will have sex with anyone/anything/is polyamorous" -- or something else, lol?)

Pansexuals are attracted to or have romantic feelings to other people regardless of their sex or gender identity. From what I know, it's (sometimes) considered to be a more inclusive orientation than bisexual because pansexuals are into people who are agender, genderqueer, genderfluid, androgynous, intersex in addition to trans* as well as cisgender people. FTR, there's more than enough room to debate whether or not bisexuals are pansexuals (and viceversa). Frankly, I'm from the school of thought of no one can dictate what someone else's labels or self-definitions are. Some people might feel more comfortable with bisexual over pansexual. For others, those are two very different orientations. #Thusendeththelesson ;)


As the movies have progressed, he's had less of those dark moments, has become more cocksure and flippant, and has therefore become a lot less compelling and sympathetic as a character (esp a superhero).

Definitely. I think that there was a tiny!redemption moment at the end of the first Avengers movie. Though it was so manipulative that it doesn't quite worked for me after a few viewings of the movie. I think that, if anything, Tony's regressed (at least emotionally) as a characters. *hands*


I was surprised that throughout AoU Tony still seemed fairly unrepentant about what had happened with Ultron (not sure if AoU is even a part of the comic book canon).

AoU is canon. In the comics, though, it is Hank Pymn (the first dude who'd become Ant-Man) who created Ultron. I'm thinking that TPTB thought it'd be more expedient, for narrative purposes, to have Tony be Ultron's creator.

Though, yeah, Tony's all "oh, I created Ultron. My bad! Now let me turn around and crate another sentient AI because it's the perfect solution". It was around that time when I disengaged emotionally from Tony. Like, he knew he'd messed up and still went and did the same thing? What kind of logic is that?

I think that's why most of the lab scenes in AoU dragged for me. There really wasn't anything Tony could say (especially while trying to convince Bruce to help him A SECOND TIME) that would make me feel any kind of sympathy for him.

Something tells me that Pepper would've been able to keep Tony from fucking up a second time. :-/


So unless JW's planning to bring this to a logical (tragic) conclusion for Stark in Civil War

Thankfully, JW is not involved with Civil War at all. He basically went on record that he's taking a long ass vacay after making AoU happen. He also made it known that he was mostly displeased with the final cut of the movie. He co-wrote the script, IIRC. One of the biggest hurdles he had to face was advancing the overall plot from the previous MCU movies while, at the same time, dropping hints/clues for events that won't happen until future movies like Infinity War parts 1 and 2.

(His original cut was about 40 minutes to an hour longer (allegedly). He also ignored CA: TWS almost in its entirety. So there we are).

The fact that the same team who worked in CA: TWS is the same team who's doing CA: CW is a big reason for me to feel hopeful. *crosses fingers just in case*


makes me wonder if Tony's unimpressed-ness with Steve is maybe a cover for feelings of rivalry/jealousy because of his father's canonical obsession with Steve, making it come out as side-eyes and you're-a-stick-in-the-mud

Oh, most definitely. Howard Stark is deeply involved in the project that made Steve into a supersoldier. In addition, he's also near Steve when Steve goes to war.

Now, I remember this one line Tony says in the first Avengers movie (something like "That is the guy my dad couldn't shut up about?") around the halfway point. So, yeah, there's definitely a lot of contempt from Tony whenever it comes to anything Steve-related. Well, at least in the movies.

In the comics, there are hints that Howard Stark became a horrible (possibly physically and emotionally abusive) father to Tony. And then, he died sometime in Tony's teenage years. So, there's a potential for resentment to set in...which never really happens in the comics (because Tony and Steve become BFFs).

It's all a bit reversed (and, also, the darker parts of Tony's personality and personal history have been painted over or otherwise ignored) in the MCU.

TBH, it's ten kinds of funny that I don't ship MCU!Steve/Tony since I do love me some "opposites attract" kind of ships. Maybe I'm already getting that from MCU!Steve/Bucky? Who knows? \o?